DStone

You know how folks do not share their jiu/jow recipes, maybe these folks do not want to share their IP training regiment. I do not train iron palm. I feel a Mantis Boxer these days does not need this training, JMO. My personal opinion... we already have an edge.

Ok Yushan

I will post a formulae I got I San Francisco almost over 15 years ago.

I was a white boy in China Town. Had been studying a hybrid southern style and some other systems for almost 10 years. Knew nothing about the chineses herbs at the time. But I knew that I just had have some of this mystical "dit da jow". Walked into an herb shop and walked up to the old chinese man behind the counter. I told him what I wanted acting cool like knew about herbs.

He goes away and comes back with a pre packed pouch that you could get at any of the stores and best of all he handed me a jar of Icey Hot. No kidding. I said "are you sure, this if for kung fu" (thinking how can this be!!). He said "Those kung fu masters are full of ****, Icey Hot better"!

True story.


Secret formulae for free. There you go. I dont hold back!

Sounds about as foolish as keeping forms secret :)

I've used both icy hot and dit da jow. From my personal experience the icy hot gives a quicker response for the pain, but that was it. Using the dit da jow for a long period seemed to help heal my injuries quicker than if I did nothing. Of course, the icy hot smells better.

John

icy hot vs. dit da jow
 

While we're on the subject of icy hot vs. dit da jow, has anyone tried using "biofreeze," or perhaps one of topical glucosamine/chondroitin/msm formulas?

Also, Richard, thanks for Mike Biggie's email address. I appreciate it.

Tim

Hi Mantid1
 

If I have that kind of superpower and I acquired it through training and not natural talent, I don't have to work in a video store. All I have to do is go "Billy Blanks". I will be a millionaire just by selling my secret training to the masses. Think of all the product that I can sell. Of course, you can be my manager or VP of the company. In the fine prints, I will add that "result may varies from practitioner to practitioner." BTW with all those IP training books, videos, products, etc... How come we don't see and of those stylists go to NHB events already. You know you don't have to break the rules because there is no rules against slapping someone on the shoulder and break or demolish the whole shoulder just because you have the "special" power. On the other hand, you could get a hold of an arm and just "rub" the bones into pieces. Isn't that what the famous Koo Yuzhang used to do to a live horse? If any IP stylist can do that, then NHB will be shut down for good, don't you think?

Anyway back to reality, I am 100% with Yu Shan. Mantis gives us an edge already. The major muscle that we need to train in this day and age is the one between our ears.

Hi DStone,

My not so secret IP training is as follow:

Disclaimer: This routine is proposed for discussion purpose only. Always practice under the supervision of a knowledgeable teacher. This is not suggested for novice who have no prior experience in martial arts. I and no other person on the Mantis Quarterly forum will be responsible for any injury or damage sustained through attempting the routine.

Equipment: telephone book (can't afford a sand palm bag) rest on a sturdy stool about butt high so that you would need to get into a horse stance for hitting.

I like to start with a light body workout or bridge hand exercises. I also like to massage my hand first before hitting the back.

We do five basic strikes which you could do on a wave master, wall bag or heavy bag as well.

Slapping with palm and back of the hand (lightly 100 times for warm up and 20 - 50 times hard)

Knife hand (same amount as above)

Fist (same amount as above)

Knuckles (same amount as above)

Palm heel (20 - 50 times close distance and penetrating)

If you like, you can add elbows (Muay Thai likes to do this one on a coconut.) If you have a old hockey helmet or any helmet at all you could do the elbows on it as well. Just becareful and don't go crazy and break your elbows.

Remember to exercise moderations and use Die Da Jiu afterward. Some people like to use the Jiu before and after. That's up to you. If you intend to keep practicing everyday then keep the light strikes to a 100 times and the heavy strikes to 20 times. Take a few days break every 12 weeks and adjust the hitting strength each cycle of 12 weeks. Most important of all, it will be pretty noisy when hitting the bags. Make sure you neighbours are okay with it.

Warm regards

Mantis108

PS restrain from sexual activities during the first 12 weeks cycle and moderation (once a week tops) after that. Partying is right out!

What's up with the emoticons? It won't allow me to post?

I know the theories behind no sex, but seriously, **** that!
Let us all remember that their is a distinct difference between Jow formula's and Iron Palm formula's too. Jow is not meant to be used for Iron Palm work.
Yes I have heard about Red Sand training. Not much though. Ihave heard that striking into sand (or anything) with your fingertips can cause serious damage since your jing well points are located at the finger tips.
Cheers
Jake :D

I trained my fingertips years ago and never had any problems. At first they were black under the fingernails from the bruising but after awhile I was blasting cedar shingles into smaller and smaller pieces with no trouble.

Hmm, come to think of it maybe that's why I can't throw qi balls. :rolleyes:

Going back to the debate about Dit Da Jow vs. Icy Hot. I have found that if you menthol crystals and a bit of camphor to your jow you will recieve the same pain relieving benifits of Icy Hot and the internal healing asoects of the Dit Da Jow.

You can purchase menthol crystals and comphor blocks at any drug store or herb shop.

Going back to the debate about Dit Da Jow vs. Icy Hot. I have found that if you add menthol crystals and a bit of camphor to your jow you will recieve the same pain relieving benifits of Icy Hot and the internal healing componet of the Dit Da Jow.

You can purchase menthol crystals and comphor blocks at any drug store or herb shop.

Friends,
My "iron palm" training has changed drastically over the years. When I began in my teens years, my training consisted of digging sandstone rocks of various sizes out of the hillside behind my house and breaking them with my fist or palm. Stupid yes, but it helped me overcome my fear of hurting myself.
As I matured, I began regular training with iron palm bags. However, my emphasis changed from studying how to break inanimate objects, to human anatomy, acupuncture and the means to effectively damage the human body.
I will admit that I am no longer very impressive at breaking rocks, boards and blocks, but I do know how to send a challenger home urinating blood, or send him to the floor with cavity presses and nerve strikes.
So, I may not be as much fun at demonstrations anymore, but I would rather be effective at simply defending myself and teaching my students to do the same.

Richard